Classic Mysteries—Alternate Perceptions Magazine, November 2022
A Paleontologist reported Alien Beings in Peru desert
Klaus Honninger Mitrani - “The Lord of the Desert”
Exclusive Interview by Deborah Goldstern
by: Deborah Goldstern
Deborah Goldstern: Reading your resume a little bit, you discover an early passion for desert fossils. How does this awakening begin?
Klaus Honninger Mitrani: Many ask me what I did to become the headlines of national and international newspapers as an animal fossil discoverer if I studied Computer Engineering; a question that makes me go back to my first 5 years of life, back in 1967, in the camp of Tinajones where my father worked in the construction of that wonderful dam that to this day brings water to the farmers of the Lambayeque Region. Living in a construction camp as a restless child, it was no easy task for the brain. There was no TV, PlayStation or cinema – only the group of children who had the option to play marbles, football or get bored tremendously. Then we found out there was something around that gave us the share of adventure we were looking for, the hills! “Let’s go get treasures” - I remember it was the group’s war cry. So we set out day by day the thrill of climbing the mountains to look for treasures hiding in those mysterious hills that we saw every day and it didn’t last long until we found what would mark me for life, a fossil of a “snail.” It was strange to the eyes of such a young child; a stone enclosing a kind of swirl that came out of the rocky monotony of the place. “Let’s ask the English what this is!” I exclaimed excitedly as we ran downhill with the strange stone in our hands. I remember the Work Engineer’s face when he saw seven children at his office door carrying a stone as if it were a heart going to an emergency transplant. “It’s an ammonite,” he told us. We looked at each other without knowing what he meant. “It’s a fossil of a squid that lived 180 million years ago and has petrified in the rock,” he tried to explain to us. “The hills are full of fossils millions of years old,” this Engineer said. His words were the sentence for a trust that I have maintained for more than 40 years, paleontology or in simpler words, the science that is dedicated to the study of the vestiges of animals or plants that no longer exist and that have left us vestiges on the rocks.
Deborah Goldstern: Let’s talk about your education. As I understand it, you graduated as a computer engineer, from the University of Applied Sciences in Berlin, as well as your informal specialization in the field of paleontology, with studies conducted at the Praehistorica Institut in Hanua (Germany), as well as at the Wyoming Dinosaur Center (USA). Given your current activity it can be inferred the computer was replaced by the passionate fossil finder, or do you consider both studies can be observed as complementary in the development of your work?
Klaus Honninger Mitrani: Definitely. My academic background has nothing to do with my early passion for fossils. The profession of paleontology did not exist in my country and on the advice of my father I studied a profession that would allow me a well-paid job while maintaining the hobby as such, simply a hobby. Let’s say your name starts to have some global repercussions, based on very precise paleontological findings, that start a long list of shocking discoveries. Deborah Goldstern: I ask you to tell the public under what circumstances these findings took place, as well as the transformation that your life experienced, in the face of so much media attention.
Klaus Honninger Mitrani: When I returned to Peru after living more than 20 years in Germany, I set out to show that my country had immense potential in the area of paleontology. Unfortunately, the Nation’s Cultural Heritage Act 28296 restricted the study and rescue of fossils, punishing any attempt to do so, without going through a cumbersome bureaucratic process, to receive the corresponding authorizations. That’s why I chose to report on the findings without touching the fossils found on my different expeditions, and I just announced to the media about them. In doing so, I achieved the purpose of noting the immense paleontological potential that Peru has, without violating the law 28296, that would have caused me a criminal complaint and jail.
Deborah Goldstern: The Honinnger hypothesis, named after your name, postulates a bold thesis declaring the extinction of dinosaurs not ending with the fall of an asteroid, as some propose, but that climate change would be the decisive factor in the disappearance of this prehistoric species. And my question would be how is this idea interpreted as novel, and also highly controversial?
Klaus Honninger Mitrani: The hypothesis mentioned is not of my authorship, but of a student named Campodonico, who gave me an interview for a school job, and in which I mentioned that I did not believe in the extinction of dinosaurs by the Yucatan meteorite. I mentioned my theory, which was a post-meteorological weather change, the cause of such extinction. Somehow, this opinion spread through the networks, attributing the publication to my authorship, when it was a personal opinion, based on a study conducted with a group of geologists and paleontologists of an Austrian University, in the Peruvian jungle.
Deborah Goldstern: In 2009, the Meyer-Honninger Paleontological Museum was given birth, a project that treasures one of the most striking fossil collections in the world. What led you to found this space?
Klaus Honninger Matrani: When I decided to return to my country, I came with the intention of creating Peru’s first paleontological museum, taking advantage of the huge collection of fossils that had more than 40 years of collection, international expeditions, with museums and foreign institutions, and exchange, which is allowed in Europe. The idea was not only to create a space, where my compatriots could appreciate what until that moment they only saw on television or in books, but to bring to the general public a science that until that moment was reserved only to scholars and their scientific publications, which did not reach them. For this reason, the Paleontological Museum Meyer-Hunninger was legally created in the Public Records as a legal entity and then translated as a physical museum.
Deborah Goldstern: And we arrive in 2011 when a ufological event took place, which again placed your name on the world radar. Although you told this many times, I ask you to retell the Hispanic audience that it occurred to you that night in the Ocucaje Desert.
Deborah Goldstern: That unusual experience when you starred in that encounter of the third kind, took an unexpected turn in the face of the statements of these two humanoids, who claimed to be inhabitants of this planet, and not aliens as in the common cases. How do you interpret this surprising revelation?
Klaus Honninger Matrani: I am not really surprised now, as the meeting corroborates many of the expressions of the world’s ancient cultures. I understand that their action is no longer as “open” as they once did because human evolution does not tolerate or accept a universal reality that goes beyond what religions have instilled in humanity for centuries.
Deborah Goldstern: Which of these three words would you choose to describe them? Crypto-terrestrial, Intramortal or Humanoid?
Klaus Honninger Matrani: In a sentence I was told that night, “We are your brothers!”
Deborah Goldstern: Of all the eyewitnesses, you were the only one to go out and give his testimony. Why did you choose to make it public, considering your reputation as a scientist could be affected?
Klaus Honninger Matrani: I didn’t want to do it for a long time, just for that reason, but I think spreading the encounter is a step towards acceptance, for human beings closer to the reality of a universe which goes beyond what they have made us believe. For years, I thought about the reason why I was contacted, and that this fact was not to be left in a closed circle, but so that the people around me would find out about it, and open their minds to a reality, which has been back hidden centuries ago!
Deborah Goldstern: In a recent interview you revealed that experience of the third kind and how it made it possible to appear with an anomaly in your skin, as well as the theft suffered from a material that you had to present to a television channel. If you could expand on these points.
Klaus Honninger Matrani: A few days after the encounter, I noticed in my hand a metal-looking lump of unexplained origin. In a colloquial conversation, and mocking it, I attribute the appearance to a supposed implant, that I still have in my hand. Somehow that fact went viral in the nets, like an extraterrestrial implant! Deborah Goldstern: Have there been other similar experiences after your physical contact?
Klaus Honninger Matrani: Yes, on three subsequent occasions in Tacna, Ica and Tingo Maria, with European-looking beings. Their message was similar to the fact, and I think they served to confirm that with several “species”, those on our human side, and that they warn of what the one, who apparently dominates the world, politics and the fundamental decisions of our existence, is doing. In fact, I now know that those to whom they refer have a different and scaly origin. Deborah Goldstern: In the physical description of these tall, expressed beings, they had elongated heads, similar to Paracas skulls, and that their interaction was telepathic. Are these claims correct?
Klaus Honninger Matrani: Without a doubt. Totally similar heads to those that we have seen in Paracas culture!
Deborah Goldstern: Today the Nazca Desert is in the world eye because of the affair of the so-called discovery not only of mummies, but of other vestiges that some claim, including an underground citadel, considered of an unknown civilization. What is your opinion in the face of so much controversy, and if you feel there is any connection with your own ufological experience?
Klaus Honninger Matrani: I have no truthful information about what is said about Nazca’s tri-dimethyl mummies, of some underground citadel. All I know is that the mission entrusted to me is to protect that desert for being an important area, and I have done so since that time, including my lonely fight against the Dakar Rally that passes by, destroying important vestiges, and taking thousands of people to a very fragile and historically important area.
Deborah Goldstern: You are recognized as a great defender of the environment, which includes an all-out fight against Dakar Rally races, which you point out do very serious damage to the areas where these events take place. Your commitment led to the Right Livelihood Award, being asked to preserve your life from the Peruvian authorities in 2013, in the face of threats received, extended to your family. Tell us please how you’re handling this situation today?
Klaus Honninger Matrani: When I faced the Dakar Rally in 2013, I opened the door to hell for my family and me. I had to face a French mafia, which moves hundreds of millions of dollars, destroying everything in its path, and against a group of corrupt Peruvians who allow it. The Dakar Rally destroyed with impunity Peruvian heritage that is documented. The government never denounced them for it, as they did with Greenpeace, which destroyed nothing, and was criminally prosecuted and punished with a million-dollar compensation. I think that we must not be very analyst to realize that if the Dakar was not denounced or criminally prosecuted for the damage caused, it is that there was money that flowed to the coffers of the Peruvian leaders of the organization, and approval of the route. Not only was I attacked and threatened by strangers, but those responsible for the approval of the route working in the Ministry of Culture, undertook a campaign against me, arguing quirky justifications that one can imagine, and using their political power to boycott all my efforts to create the paleontological museum. Those nefarious characters still work in the Ministry and continue their crusade against my museum project!
Editor’s Note: Deborah Goldstern is a popular writer who lives in Buenos Aires, Argentina. She gave me permission to repost this article that initially appeared in Argentina’s Underground Chronicle back in 2018. She has a great interest in the UFO phenomenon and has herself leaned toward the notion of a terrestrial or underground origin. “I have collected hundreds of stories on the subject,” she admitted. “There is a great taboo among researchers in studying these stories, because for a long time the extraterrestrial question was thought of.”
It was an American researcher from New York, William Galison, who has made several trips to Peru to investigate the reported discoveries of the unusual and controversial Nazca Mummies, who first told me about Klaus Honninger’s desert encounter. He had spoken with him himself.
In 2019, I shared a few brief internet exchanges with Klaus, with the hopes of doing my own interview with him. However, he turned me down because of “very serious threats to not continue with this issue,” he explained. “I worry about the safety of my family and mine.” He preferred not to do any more interviews. “I beg you to understand.” He added, “I told this to Anthony Choy, a researcher of the UFO phenomenon and he told me that they were the well-known men in black.”
Except in one instance there was a woman. They all had white hair and very white skin.